| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Steven Harris IAAH Assoc. Fellow

Joined: 12 Feb 2008 Posts: 172 Location: Massachusetts, United States
|
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: My arms are nearing a final design |
|
|
After quite a bit of work, consultation with various very patient members of our association, and seven refrigerator tests (at least!), my badge and crest are set, but I have three hopefully-final versions of my arms for which I’d like to get some feedback (ultimately, the decision is mine, but I’d value your impressions and comments):
8A) The Simple
This design has been mindfully in-the-works for nearly 2½ years. It is both densely meaningful and highly symbolic to me; it is also (obviously) the basis of all three of these versions. I’m afraid, however, that it may be too plain.
8B) The Innovative
Wishing to allude to my Scottish ancestry in a unique way, I adapted the “royal tressure” making it green and replacing the alternating fleurs-de-lis (a charge which I don’t particularly care for) with ermine spots (which I like for some aesthetic reason that I cannot explain). This one may be too "new" to be borne seriously.
8C) The Third (since no good adjective comes to mind)
My ancestral homeland is the Isle of Harris (hence my surname) in the Outer Hebrides – in the lands of the Clan MacLeod, whose kilt I have been known to wear on occasion. The bordure is inspired to the arms of the Chief:
I am open to other ideas as well to allude to Scotland in general, or the Isle of Harris and the Clan MacLeod specifically…
For your reference, the rest of my heraldry is as follows:
Crest:
Issuant from a wreath of fig leaves (Ficus religiosa) a bobcat (Lynx rufus) sejant gorged with a scarf of the MacLeod of Harris clan tartan and in her dexter paw a single apple blossom (Malus domestica) all proper.
Motto (below the shield):
“To Thine Own Self Be True” (from Hamlet I:3)
Slogan (above the crest):
“Veritas Honorque” (Latin: “Truth and Honor”)
Badge (also my avatar, thanks to Kenneth Mansfield):
An octagon Sable charged with three Annulets interlaced as in the arms within an Orle Argent. _________________ SAHarris
harrissab@gmail.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Kenneth Mansfield IAAH Assoc. Fellow

Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 329 Location: Kentucky, USA
|
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Steven, I like all three of them, though my preference would be either 8b or 8c. 8a just seems a little too minimalist (as in art or decor) for me.
I do wonder what it would look like if you used a pellet rather than an escutcheon. _________________ Kenneth Mansfield |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Steven Harris IAAH Assoc. Fellow

Joined: 12 Feb 2008 Posts: 172 Location: Massachusetts, United States
|
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Kenneth Mansfield wrote: | Steven, I like all three of them, though my preference would be either 8b or 8c. 8a just seems a little too minimalist (as in art or decor) for me.
I do wonder what it would look like if you used a pellet rather than an escutcheon. |
I think that I agree with your assessment of the first (8A).
I’m afraid that a pellet would get lost in the annulets – looking more like four rings with the top one filled in rather than three rings interlaced and debrusied. I like the escutcheon; but if you’d like to see something else, can a billet be charged? _________________ SAHarris
harrissab@gmail.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Kenneth Mansfield IAAH Assoc. Fellow

Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 329 Location: Kentucky, USA
|
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I know that you have, I think from the beginning (?), wanted the chevron rompu included in your arms as a reference to your education at Virginia Military Institute. My concern (for lack of a better word) with the escutcheon is that it looks like an augmentation of honor. And given that this particular part of the arms of VMI is itself an augmentation of honor, it seems all the more so. From the TIOH memo to the superintendent of VMI:
| Quote: | | The black canton with its broken gold chevron is an augmentation of honor; it commemorates the valorous charge of the Cadet Battalion on 15 May 1864 at the Battle of New Market which broke the dark threat of the Union invasion of the Valley of Virginia. |
Is this the part of the school's history to which you wish to pay tribute? If so, I think it's fitting, if not....
That said, I think it is attractive on the escutcheon. _________________ Kenneth Mansfield |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
John Jones IAAH Fellow

Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 698 Location: Sydney, Australia
|
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Version 8C is - for me - the most striking.
Quite a strong design. _________________ John Jones
Fellow IAAH |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Martin Goldstraw IAAH Fellow

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 309 Location: Shropshire, England.
|
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
| John Jones wrote: | Version 8C is - for me - the most striking.
Quite a strong design. |
Bearing in mind that Steven wishes to allude to his Scottish ancestry, in Scotland 8c would indicate a cadet of 8a. _________________ Martin Goldstraw
Fellow IAAH |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Kenneth Mansfield IAAH Assoc. Fellow

Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 329 Location: Kentucky, USA
|
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I could live with the following color violation, given that the escutcheon, even though it is in honor point, is still "over all".
 _________________ Kenneth Mansfield
Last edited by Kenneth Mansfield on Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Kenneth Mansfield IAAH Assoc. Fellow

Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 329 Location: Kentucky, USA
|
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Or if busy doesn't bother you...
 _________________ Kenneth Mansfield |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Kenneth Mansfield IAAH Assoc. Fellow

Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Posts: 329 Location: Kentucky, USA
|
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Someone at the AHS forum had the same suggestion as mine (sans tressure version) with the exception that he suggested moving the escutcheon to the crest to be held by the bobcat. The last two suggestions then, without the escutcheon:
 _________________ Kenneth Mansfield |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Kaj Malachowski

Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 85 Location: Warsaw, Poland
|
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
much better now! _________________ regards! -
Kaj M. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Robyn Heisel

Joined: 25 May 2009 Posts: 73 Location: California, USA
|
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
I like the idea of Kenneth's last two suggestions, the argent rings (with/without the double tressure) on the quarterly gules/azure. It's very striking. Including the escutcheon on the shield unfortunately makes either one look busier. (Why the last two designs don't look as busy, even with the double tressure, is beyond me.) _________________ Robyn Heisel |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Alexander Liptak IAAH Member

Joined: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 330 Location: United States
|
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Kenneth Mansfield wrote: | Or if busy doesn't bother you...
 |
This, and the one without the inescutcheon, would match with your badge much better. A border (the orle and tressues) about each, with the tinctures of the rings matching as well.
Out of the three original, I do prefer the third one with the quartered bordure. However, the inescutcheon seems to throw it off somewhat. I think it is because there is so much black resting heavily upon the thin arcs of the rings. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Claus K Berntsen

Joined: 27 Feb 2009 Posts: 8 Location: Lund, Sweden
|
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Kenneth Mansfield wrote: |  |
I think I prefer this one, even though I'm not crazy about the field being quartered. Probably just my Scandinavian bias...
Definitely loose the inescutcheon, it looks too much by an augmentation granted for something. _________________ Claus K Berntsen |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Joseph McMillan

Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 322 Location: Alexandria, VA, USA
|
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
As a compromise between the elegant simplicity of the rings and the fussiness created by the ermined tressure, how about a plain orle argent?
Quarterly Azure and Gules three annulets interlaced within an orle Argent? _________________ Joseph McMillan |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Peter Harling IAAH Assoc. Fellow

Joined: 17 May 2009 Posts: 166 Location: Lancashire UK
|
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
IMO the shield does look much nicer without the escutcheon. I personally like the plane quartered shield with the rings and without the double tressure. But that may not be Scottish enough for Steven!
Regards ............ Peter _________________ Peter Harling |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|